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		<title>By: Res Ipsa Cogitur</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Res Ipsa Cogitur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Jeff, thanks for your candor and I note that I am indeed pleased, and actually somewhat impressed at your having done “good” in constitutional law. Thanks also for pointing out the legal structure of our federalist system – I would never have guessed. 

The purpose of the present missive is, in essence, to point out that you did not respond to any of the substantive issues raised by me or others in this thread. So here is your chance. Individuals, through the auspices (and with clear sanction) of the civil courts, on a regular basis, in effect, punish others for a claimed tort which prima facie, or even at law, has no substantive basis – in other words when the defendant is NOT ultimately a tortfeasor (in fact or at law). The lofty notion that “the question must be asked” is fine as long as justice comes at a REASONABLE cost (or, better still, at no cost) to the parties. That, of course, is not our system. So once again, I put to you that it is NOT reasonable to have the “freedom” to attack someone falsely (read that as unreasonably) and not be held accountable for the damages done to them (in financial, emotional and character terms). The multi-million dollar pants suit (pun intended) was one desperately in search of a Learned Hand for guidance. Despite the apologists’ raucous claims, this case is only “atypical” by virtue of its exorbitant damages claims. Other than that it was business as usual, the reasonable person was nowhere to be found – including, until belatedly, on the bench. Unfortunately for the apologists, this case is actually the prototypical example of the endemic gross misuse of the civil system, by self-serving reprobates, that was once a safe haven for truly injured individuals but which, in effect, has been differentiated (perverted is closer to fact) into one that, in truth, has questionable legitimacy in a nation that so stridently professes adherence to principles of democracy, fairness and the rule of law. A long-overdue facial change is in the wind. REASONABLE, the word and deed so badly mutilated, judicially and otherwise, in recent times, appears ready for rehabilitation and enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Jeff, thanks for your candor and I note that I am indeed pleased, and actually somewhat impressed at your having done “good” in constitutional law. Thanks also for pointing out the legal structure of our federalist system – I would never have guessed. </p>
<p>The purpose of the present missive is, in essence, to point out that you did not respond to any of the substantive issues raised by me or others in this thread. So here is your chance. Individuals, through the auspices (and with clear sanction) of the civil courts, on a regular basis, in effect, punish others for a claimed tort which prima facie, or even at law, has no substantive basis – in other words when the defendant is NOT ultimately a tortfeasor (in fact or at law). The lofty notion that “the question must be asked” is fine as long as justice comes at a REASONABLE cost (or, better still, at no cost) to the parties. That, of course, is not our system. So once again, I put to you that it is NOT reasonable to have the “freedom” to attack someone falsely (read that as unreasonably) and not be held accountable for the damages done to them (in financial, emotional and character terms). The multi-million dollar pants suit (pun intended) was one desperately in search of a Learned Hand for guidance. Despite the apologists’ raucous claims, this case is only “atypical” by virtue of its exorbitant damages claims. Other than that it was business as usual, the reasonable person was nowhere to be found – including, until belatedly, on the bench. Unfortunately for the apologists, this case is actually the prototypical example of the endemic gross misuse of the civil system, by self-serving reprobates, that was once a safe haven for truly injured individuals but which, in effect, has been differentiated (perverted is closer to fact) into one that, in truth, has questionable legitimacy in a nation that so stridently professes adherence to principles of democracy, fairness and the rule of law. A long-overdue facial change is in the wind. REASONABLE, the word and deed so badly mutilated, judicially and otherwise, in recent times, appears ready for rehabilitation and enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, I actually did good in conlaw.  The problem is not my understanding of constitutional law, tort law is regulated by the state not the Federal government.  The problem is that tort reformers preach personal responsibility, but don&#039;t want to take responsibility for their actions.  Tort reformers want corporate welfare, protection from being held accountable for their actions.  But the kicker is, while tort reformers want to keep regular lower and middle class citizens out of the courtroom, the corporate citizens tort reformers want to protect routinely use the civil justice tort system themselves.  &quot;Socially dangerous&quot; indeed. 

Signed, the &quot;Miscreant&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, I actually did good in conlaw.  The problem is not my understanding of constitutional law, tort law is regulated by the state not the Federal government.  The problem is that tort reformers preach personal responsibility, but don&#8217;t want to take responsibility for their actions.  Tort reformers want corporate welfare, protection from being held accountable for their actions.  But the kicker is, while tort reformers want to keep regular lower and middle class citizens out of the courtroom, the corporate citizens tort reformers want to protect routinely use the civil justice tort system themselves.  &#8220;Socially dangerous&#8221; indeed. </p>
<p>Signed, the &#8220;Miscreant&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Res Ipsa Cogitur</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Res Ipsa Cogitur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff you need to get a real law degree (this time stay awake in constitutional law) and, at the expense of seeming somewhat flippant, perhaps some new frontal lobes. Your defense of the current civil justice system is heart warming but I suspect comes from a misguided (and frankly perverted) sense of what constitutes fairness (let alone what is reasonable). I will go even further and suggest that you suffer from a rather severe case of legal myopia. The current torts system in this country is socially dangerous. It is not reasonable to have the “freedom” to attack someone falsely (read that as unreasonably) and not be held accountable for the damages done to them. In criminal law the false accuser or imprisoner pays the price. If you really believe the system is so wonderful, why don’t you and your co-conspirators (plaintiff’s lawyers) put together a fund to pay, inter alia, the Chung’s LEGAL costs and while you are at it you should pay reasonable compensation for the “pain and suffering” (damages) they have endured at the hands of your wonderful civil legal system.

I won’t go so far as to cal you a hypocrite but I have a feeling that you might be someone who bears resemblance to a self-serving miscreant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff you need to get a real law degree (this time stay awake in constitutional law) and, at the expense of seeming somewhat flippant, perhaps some new frontal lobes. Your defense of the current civil justice system is heart warming but I suspect comes from a misguided (and frankly perverted) sense of what constitutes fairness (let alone what is reasonable). I will go even further and suggest that you suffer from a rather severe case of legal myopia. The current torts system in this country is socially dangerous. It is not reasonable to have the “freedom” to attack someone falsely (read that as unreasonably) and not be held accountable for the damages done to them. In criminal law the false accuser or imprisoner pays the price. If you really believe the system is so wonderful, why don’t you and your co-conspirators (plaintiff’s lawyers) put together a fund to pay, inter alia, the Chung’s LEGAL costs and while you are at it you should pay reasonable compensation for the “pain and suffering” (damages) they have endured at the hands of your wonderful civil legal system.</p>
<p>I won’t go so far as to cal you a hypocrite but I have a feeling that you might be someone who bears resemblance to a self-serving miscreant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Ron.  To answer your questions, I&#039;m not a rabid lawyer.  I&#039;m a lawyer that cares about consumer rights and helping out the little guy when the big guys do him wrong.  I don&#039;t take medications, so I didn&#039;t &quot;go off medications&quot;.  Had a great childhood, take care of myself and am already educated.  Please visit again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Ron.  To answer your questions, I&#8217;m not a rabid lawyer.  I&#8217;m a lawyer that cares about consumer rights and helping out the little guy when the big guys do him wrong.  I don&#8217;t take medications, so I didn&#8217;t &#8220;go off medications&#8221;.  Had a great childhood, take care of myself and am already educated.  Please visit again.</p>
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		<title>By: 127001</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>127001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh! You&#039;re one of those rabid lawyers that went off medications, right? And you had a bad childhood? Need a mommy/daddy to take care of you. Get educated ... Check out Jail4Judges (http://www.jail4judges.org/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh! You&#8217;re one of those rabid lawyers that went off medications, right? And you had a bad childhood? Need a mommy/daddy to take care of you. Get educated &#8230; Check out Jail4Judges (<a href="http://www.jail4judges.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jail4judges.org/</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: How to Deconstruct Tort &#8220;Reform&#8221; Bullsh*t &#171; Subject to Complete Defeasance</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Deconstruct Tort &#8220;Reform&#8221; Bullsh*t &#171; Subject to Complete Defeasance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Friday Blog Roundup &#171; The Pump Handle</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Blog Roundup &#171; The Pump Handle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff at Tort Burger attacks a Forbes story that attacks the legal system. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments David.  &quot;Working would be if mistakes weren&#039;t made, if the bogus claims weren&#039;t filed, or if they were fixed immediately and cheaply&quot;.  The first statement is ludricrous, in any field mistakes are made, in fact mistakes are the basis for many of the legal disputes we are talking about.  So yes, mistakes are made in the legal field.  The only way to make sure no mistakes are made is to deny everyone access to the legal system.  I know that is one of the goals of the tort reform movement, so I do know where you are coming from with that statement.  Claims with little or no merit are handled efficiently by the legal system, when measured against the large number of claims the system is dealing with.  

The majority of claims in the system have merit and those claims deserve to be heard.  The few bad apples do not ruin the whole barrel, although you and your ilk would like things to appear that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments David.  &#8220;Working would be if mistakes weren&#8217;t made, if the bogus claims weren&#8217;t filed, or if they were fixed immediately and cheaply&#8221;.  The first statement is ludricrous, in any field mistakes are made, in fact mistakes are the basis for many of the legal disputes we are talking about.  So yes, mistakes are made in the legal field.  The only way to make sure no mistakes are made is to deny everyone access to the legal system.  I know that is one of the goals of the tort reform movement, so I do know where you are coming from with that statement.  Claims with little or no merit are handled efficiently by the legal system, when measured against the large number of claims the system is dealing with.  </p>
<p>The majority of claims in the system have merit and those claims deserve to be heard.  The few bad apples do not ruin the whole barrel, although you and your ilk would like things to appear that way.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nieporent</title>
		<link>http://tortburger.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/judges-attacked-again/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>David Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a doctor amputated your leg, and then two years later -- after you had endured pain and suffering galore and had spent tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills -- the doctor reattached it, would you describe that as the medical system &#039;working&quot;?

So how about if a judge files a frivolous suit against you, and then two years later -- after dealing with discovery, depositions, document production, etc., and after you&#039;ve spent tens of thousands of dollars -- the suit is finally dismissed?  Would that be the legal system &#039;working&#039;?  No, the Pearson case is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overlawyered.com/2007/06/the_significance_of_roy_pearso.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not an example&lt;/a&gt; of the system &#039;working.&#039;  The Chungs haven&#039;t seen a dime from Pearson, and he&#039;s &lt;b&gt;still&lt;/b&gt; harassing them, filing an appeal which will cost them thousands of additional dollars.

Bogus claims being dismissed -- &lt;i&gt;eventually&lt;/i&gt; -- are not an example of the system &#039;working,&#039; any more than you being cured -- eventually -- from a doctor&#039;s mistake is an example of the medical system &#039;working.&#039;  &quot;Working&quot; would be if the mistakes weren&#039;t made, if the bogus claims weren&#039;t filed, or if they were fixed immediately and cheaply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a doctor amputated your leg, and then two years later &#8212; after you had endured pain and suffering galore and had spent tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills &#8212; the doctor reattached it, would you describe that as the medical system &#8216;working&#8221;?</p>
<p>So how about if a judge files a frivolous suit against you, and then two years later &#8212; after dealing with discovery, depositions, document production, etc., and after you&#8217;ve spent tens of thousands of dollars &#8212; the suit is finally dismissed?  Would that be the legal system &#8216;working&#8217;?  No, the Pearson case is <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/2007/06/the_significance_of_roy_pearso.html" rel="nofollow">not an example</a> of the system &#8216;working.&#8217;  The Chungs haven&#8217;t seen a dime from Pearson, and he&#8217;s <b>still</b> harassing them, filing an appeal which will cost them thousands of additional dollars.</p>
<p>Bogus claims being dismissed &#8212; <i>eventually</i> &#8212; are not an example of the system &#8216;working,&#8217; any more than you being cured &#8212; eventually &#8212; from a doctor&#8217;s mistake is an example of the medical system &#8216;working.&#8217;  &#8220;Working&#8221; would be if the mistakes weren&#8217;t made, if the bogus claims weren&#8217;t filed, or if they were fixed immediately and cheaply.</p>
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